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  2. herm
    herm
    December 16, 2010 at 6:31 pm |

    Nice to c u blog again, Nick. FYI, IonTorrent might not be sold at $50k around the world. The local office has significantly marked up the price or we will have picked up a machine despite the high-ish $/base.

  3. krobison
    December 16, 2010 at 10:38 pm |

    I’d agree that they’ve generally been dialing down the specs in a disappointing way.

    BUT, I think your estimate of 1/40th a 454 run leaves out the fact that it is about 1/30th the reagent cost ($500/run vs about $15K for 454 — corrections welcome). Not quite parity, but brings some perspective in (Not sure how 454jr fits into that equation either). A modest improvement in the Ion Torrent performance specs (by increasing read length) could push that fraction to a more favorable amount. True green eyeshade types would suggest also layering in the amortization of the instruments, but I’m too lazy to do that.

    Like other players with specific sites for the sequencing to happen (e.g. PacBio), they need to figure out better packing. Interesting that they seem to be getting well below Poisson (roughly 30%, I think) packing for their chip — seems it’s below 10%.

    I’d agree though, early on the value will be in amplicon sequencing and perhaps a few other niches. The community desperately needs actual data from the instrument released into the public space so that it can really be evaluated.

  4. Dark_Base
    Dark_Base
    December 17, 2010 at 4:22 pm |

    For our 454 Jr, the total cost per run in consumables is right around $1K. That breaks down as $150 library prep kit, $190 emPCR kit, $500 seq kit, $225 PTP. For shotgun libraries we see 150-220K reads with average read length of 425 bp (42-45 Mb yield). The instrument was <$100K.

    I'm no big fan of 454, we much prefer the use the GAII and HiSeq. I just like to put the Jr. into perspective when I talk to users about the ION PGM hype. The ION machine is the 454 Jr. with a shorter RL, less throughput, and still the laborious and expensive emPCR sample prep. The 454 Jr. is used for projects that want the 400 bp rl, 100 bp could be done with multiplexing on the Illumina much cheaper than the 454 or ION PGM.

    The cost of consumables for library prep and emPCR, sequencing kit and sequencing chip will have to make the ION run at least $1K, the same as the Jr. Roche just needs to lower their high kit prices and they would be even more competitive. The ION machine can scale though, if they keep the price the same and increase the read length and number, it would quickly surpass 454.

    What is interesting about all of this is how much Life Tech paid for a machine that is less impressive than a machine already placed base upon non-exclusive IP from DNAe (http://www.dnae.co.uk/). Roche can throw the ISFET on their machine, measure some pH change in their enzyme cascade and plug it all into their developed software pipeline. ION was very slick selling the hype without ever showing their real data or selling anything. I am glad I don't hold stock in Life.

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